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Thursday, 19 September 2013

Brother Jimmy's Upper East Side

Posted on 17:46 by Unknown
The Murray Hill /Kips Bay outlet of Brother Jimmy's is extremely popular, especially with young people..

I wonder what the story is like uptown-- No, OK reviews but nothing like same enthusiasm in them


Brother Jimmy's BBQ

3.0 star rating
285 reviews Rating Details
Category: Barbeque  [Edit]
1485 2nd Ave
(between 77th St & 78th St)
New York, NY 10021
Neighborhoods: Yorkville, Upper East Side
(212) 288-0999
brotherjimmys.com
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ribs and bbq chicken. cause really that picture of the dude kissing a girl on the cheek needs to go.
Brother Jimmy's BBQ, New York, NY
The most picturesque meal I have ever had.
Brother Jimmy's BBQ, New York, NY
Pulled Pork with Cole Slaw in a Wrap with Sweet Potato Fries
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Hours:
Mon-Wed 4 pm - 4 am
Thu-Sun 11:30 am - 4 am
Attire:
Casual
Accepts Credit Cards:
Yes
Parking:
Street
Price Range:
$$
Good for Groups:
Yes
Good for Kids:
No
Takes Reservations:
Yes
Delivery:
Yes
Take-out:
Yes
Waiter Service:
Yes
Outdoor Seating:
No
Wi-Fi:
No
Good For:
Dinner
Alcohol:
Full Bar
Noise Level:
Very Loud
Ambience:
Casual
Has TV:
Yes
Caters:
Yes
Wheelchair Accessible:
No
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  • Review from Christopher H.

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    • Christopher H.
    Watertown, MA
    8/26/2013
    This place is always on my to-do list when in New York City. Great atmosphere, great specials & southern hospitality.

    If you are an adventurous type and like shots, ask for a pickle-back.....it may sound weird, but its awesome.

    It is a shot of whiskey (usually Jameson) followed by a shot of pickle juice. No joke.
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  • Review from Katie H.

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    • Katie H.
    Seaford, NY
    9/18/2013 1 photo 2 check-ins here
    I don't have a brother named Jimmy in real life, so I decided that this place can be that substitute. This little brother is awesome. And here's why:

    -He offers you ridiculously cheap Natty Lights and PBR's on the daily if that's your thing.
    -He plays a wide selection of current music, my favs including: the Black Keys and Mumford.
    -He ALWAYS has some sort of drink and/or food special.
    -He sure knows how to cook up a mean BBQ meal.
    -Hush Puppies with Maple Butter? Why thanks Brother Jimmy!
    -He tries to convince me to drink the Swamp Water*. Dangerous.

    This little brother is always willing to throw a good party. (Especially when sports are on.) Food is pretty good. I had the BBQ Grilled Chicken Sandwich with Mac and Cheese. It was good, but I think I may go straight for the Mac next time. Yum. Cheap Prices and SUPER casual atmosphere.**

    *Seriously that swamp water is a force to be reckoned with. You'll see what I mean.
    **Cool place. Only thing I have to say is whoever was our waitress that night. Please don't ignore us next time. I think we saw you like once the entire night.
    • BBQ grilled chicken and Mac ad cheese.
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  • Review from Caitlin G.

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    • Caitlin G.
    Upper East Side, Manhattan, NY
    8/7/2013
    This review is for eating here for brunch/lunch/dinner... not the night scene.

    I'm wanting to give them 2 stars, but then I realized I ate mostly everything on my plate, so I figured that wasn't exactly fair...

    I'm a tennessee native, so I have high expectations when it comes to bbq, so maybe this is a little skewed.  I really didn't think their food was that great.  I was really wanting some good flavorful pulled pork thats tender without being soggy with the perfect sauce thats spicy and sweet at the same time with alllllll my favorite bbq sides.  Anyway... eh.. fell kinda flat.

    I ordered the pulled pork entree dish which comes with cornbread and two sides.  I got cole slaw and the fried brussel sprouts.  I actually thought the brussel sprouts were the best part, very crispy and flavorful.  First of all our food came out SUPER fast! That always kinda freaks me out... I picture them scooping stuff out of huge containers or something and popping it into a giant microwave. Who knows.  The pulled pork was fine, sorta soggy like it was soaking in liquid for way to long.  The coleslaw was pretty good too, I guess I set my hopes too high hoping it'd be real coleslaw with slightly stiff cabbage.  Any the cornbread was fine... I like my cornbread salty not sweet (just a personal preference).  OKAY here is my biggest problem.  I like my pulled pork to be swimming in bbq sauce, so I was happy to see the little caddy with three different options.  Two of the three looked SO GROSS.  They were an almost clear liquidy portion at the top with all of the particles settled at the bottom.  I don't know if they just needed to be shaken up (which is still odd) or if they were so old and no one ever uses them, but it was really gross.  I went with the classic bbq sauce that appeared to be fine, and it was still really watery. Not sure what was going on with that.

    Anyway my food tasted fine and I was hungry so I pretty much cleaned my plate.  Definitely wasn't unbearable, but I would say it's a similar quality of food as a diner or a school cafeteria.
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  • Review from Salma M.

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    • Salma M.
    Jamaica, NY
    Updated - 9/12/2013
    Why do I bother trying places I know can't possibly improve?  I know why, it's because i'm hopeful.  An order that should have been delivered an hour ago is still not here.  I called and the very chipper girl on the other end informed me that they had just received the pulled pork and they had to cook it.  Um...and she couldn't call me and tell me it's going to take over an hour?  Of course not because like an idiot i paid by card and they already had my money.  I must remind myself never to go there or order from there again.  Ugh!
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      The last time I went I had a god awful experience.  The ribs were nothing but bone and gristle (no… Read more »
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  • Review from Kelvin T.

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    • Kelvin T.
    New York, NY
    8/13/2013
    Not had any problems with their other location further uptown which is now closed. I order the half and half rib combo, as usual couldn't finish. This location is kinda like Hooters that serves BBQ. Food is comparable to Dino BBQ but i've noticed one thing is that all BBQ places serves their food at room temperature. Remember couple of years ago they made a big fuss about Chinese restaurants serving BBQ. Thing is i never got sick from Chinese BBQ, but after Brother Jimmys i was in bed for two days.
    Stomach cramps, diarrhea, vomiting, cold sweat . Never ever again.
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  • Review from K M.

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    • K M.
    Manhattan, NY
    9/6/2013
    The problem with brother Jimmy's is they got to big for themselves. The food is fast food. I  want to like them which is why I have been to several of their places in the city. Each time becoming more disappointed. Never failed to get a cold pulled pork sandwich. How do you "F " that up??
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  • Review from Deoroop M.

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    Brooklyn, NY
    6/26/2013 1 check-in here
    Want a way to satisfy your hunger that was initiated by unlimited Jameson and PBRs after one of the most epic YELP events to hit the Upper East Side? Well, just stumble on happily right over to Brother Jimmy's BBQ.

    Located a whopping 0.2 miles from American Trash, Brother Jimmy's was literally a God-send that night. Seating was readily available and the within the company of other fellow slightly inebriated Yelpers, all was right with the world.

    What's on the menu? Anything and everything you could ever want relevant to the realm of mouth-watering, charcoaled, wholesome barbecue and what did I get? A turkey burger, fries, and mac n' cheese, what was I thinking? Maybe all those shots had something to do with it?!

    Did I hear somebody say SHOTS?!!!

    My meal was engulfed within minutes of it being set upon the table and I enjoyed every last bite of it. The mac n' cheese was pretty good but even in my drunken state, I know I have had better. The turkey burger was delicious, juicy and definitely hit the spot. I guess my opinion could be bias because of all the alcohol that was consumed prior to this meal, so I will have to try it sober (if that's even possible) but the price of the entire meal for 5 people was a steal, so this place automatically gets my approval.

    Special thanks to the entire Elite "clique" crew, Xavier S., Sara S., Shams N., Chris D. and many, many more for contributing to another epic night.

    P.S. I realized I wasn't that drunk when I checked-in and purchased another alcoholic beverage at the liquor store right next to Brother Jimmy's. How convenient :-) !!!!
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  • Review from Nate S.

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    • Nate S.
    Deer Park, NY
    7/20/2013
    Any rating less than 4 stars is crazy!

    It's 3am, I'm working on these ribs and was compelled to write this review because dammit they are too good!

    Me and friend went in earlier at around 6, no wait time, got seated right away and had a very cheery, bubbly waitress. She was very attentive, fast, and great at suggesting things.

    The decor itself was very "country" to match the theme, was diverse with all ages, surrounded by big tvs all playing a Yankees/Red Sox game. The bar was packed, filled with loud barely legals drinking and playing corny tunes on the jukebox.

    We got the $3 Mango Margaritas, unfortunately in the midst of a heatwave the frozen machine was broken so we got it on the rocks. Round 1 was weak, but Round 2 def had us going like the barely legal drunks at the bar.

    On to the ribs: We got the Northern Ribs-the choice where the ribs are wet, dripping with saucy goodness. The-best-ribs-I've-ever-had. I dare someone to show me anywhere better. The sides were ok. I suggest the Fried Okra and the BBQ beans. Portions were huge, hence why I'm pigging out so early in the morning.

    Place lost one star for space. Our table of two was sooo close to each other that I might as well be dining with another table. Our chairs kept hitting each other's and forget stomach space for when you're full. Still I HIGHLY RECOMMEND!
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  • Review from G S.

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    Manhattan, NY
    8/28/2013
    Food came over an hour late! Never again.
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  • Review from Peter K.

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    • Peter K.
    Hoboken, NJ
    5/19/2013
    I am a bbq fiend.  This place may not be great, but it is not terrible either.  My friend and I split the pig pick where we got to try dry and wet ribs, brisket, and pulled pork.  The brisket and pork were nothing to write home about.  The ribs were decent.  I liked them.  The mac and cheese is really really good and would be a great side dish for anyone.  Collard greens were good too.  They have some light sauces for you to wet your meats and fries.  Not bad, could use more flavor.

    Now as for the service.  She was very cheery and keeping her head high, but clearly overworked.  It took forever to order, too long for my beer to arrive, and awhile for the check.

    Hire more people and intensify your flavors.  Then you will have a great spot.
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Google Revamps Itself- from the BBC

Posted on 17:36 by Unknown
This is more news to some people than others

19 September 2013Last updated at 18:23 ET

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Google revamps logo and search page

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 Google's old logo (above) had drop shadows, but its new one is flatter
 
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Google has begun rolling out a redesign of its homepage - the world's most visited web address.
The revamp features a flattened, reshaped logo and replaces the previous menu bar with a smaller range of links on the page's right-hand side.

The move comes in the same month that Yahoo's logo and Microsoft's Bing search tool have also been updated.

A Google spokeswoman said that similar changes would now be "slowly rolled out" across its products.

A blog post added that the firm intended to "streamline" users' experience of its services to prevent "distractions".

It is the first change to Google's logo since 2010. Not all users will be able to see the redesign yet.
"This is the season for consumer tech updates and whether you sell a product or it's free everyone wants to look fresh ahead of the Christmas shopping season," said Sarah Rotman Epps, an analyst at the tech consultancy Forrester.

"What they are doing is actually pretty subtle and that's because these software companies depend on user loyalty - they don't want to do anything that would alienate their customers."

Another analyst suggested that cutting down the number of links would encourage people to use Google's social network, Google Plus.

To reveal other products - such as Google Drive storage, YouTube videos or the Android app Play Store - visitors to the firm's search page must now click on an icon made up of small squares.
"I do think that there is a move to try to make Google+ more central to everything its users do," said Carolina Milanesi from the tech advisors Gartner.

"It might be the case that it is not obvious to some people that they need to click on the box to reveal the firm's other services."

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Hiroshi Yamauchi, electronics leader, dies

Posted on 17:33 by Unknown
Nintendo has been one of the main players of the extension of new technology into everyday life..
Its visionary leader has just died and the question of course is what is next for Nintendo and the world generally 
This from the BBC 
19 September 2013Last updated at 07:08 ET

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Nintendo visionary Hiroshi Yamauchi dies aged 85

By Dave Lee Technology reporter, BBC News
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 Hiroshi Yamauchi took Nintendo into the electronic entertainment business
 
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Hiroshi Yamauchi, the Japanese businessman credited with transforming Nintendo into a world-leading video games company, has died aged 85.

Mr Yamauchi ran the firm for 53 years, and was its second-largest shareholder at the time of his death.

The company confirmed the news in an emailed statement.

A spokesman said the firm was in mourning over the "loss of the former Nintendo president Mr Hiroshi Yamauchi, who sadly passed away this morning."

He died of pneumonia at a hospital in central Japan, the company said, adding that a funeral will take place on Sunday.

Mr Yamauchi ran the company from 1949 until 2002.

In that time, he took what was a small-time collectable trading card company and built it into one of the most recognisable - and successful - video games brands today.

"Hiroshi Yamauchi transformed a run-of the-mill trading card company into an entertainment empire in video games," said Ian Livingstone, co-founder of Games Workshop and former chairman of publisher Eidos.

"He understood the social value of play, and economic potential of electronic gaming. Most importantly he steered Nintendo on its own course and was unconcerned by the actions of his competitors. He was a true visionary."

Rob Crossley, associate editor of Computer and Video Games magazine, told the BBC: "You cannot overestimate the influence the man had on the games industry."

"He spearheaded Nintendo as they moved into the arcade business, with hits such as Donkey Kong.
"This man was the president of Nintendo during the NES, the SNES, the N64 and the Gamecube - the first two were transformative pieces of electronic entertainment."

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  Mr Yamauchi took over at Nintendo after his grandfather suffered a stroke. After several years developing the firm's existing trading card business, Mr Yamauchi turned to electronic entertainment.
Super Mario 
 Under Mr Yamauchi's stewardship, Super Mario entered millions of homes
 
He utilised the work of legendary games designer Shigeru Miyamoto, who had made Donkey Kong, as a way of breaking into the US arcade game market.

Mr Miyamoto's later work was pivotal in the success of Nintendo's home entertainment systems - titles such as Super Mario, Legend of Zelda and Starfox became commercial smashes and household names.

Mr Yamauchi stood down as president in 2002, taking a place on the firm's board of directors. In 2005, he left the company entirely.

Since his departure, Nintendo has gone on to produce the hugely successful Wii console, but has floundered in the past 12 months due to disappointing sales of its latest effort, the Wii U.
Mr Yamauchi, one of Japan's richest men, also used to own the Seattle Mariners major league baseball club before selling it in 2004 to Nintendo's US-based operation.
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Pope Announces Shift in Church Focus- Barrie Examiner

Posted on 17:28 by Unknown
This was the story that an awful lot of people were talking about in NYC this evening

New York's Cardinal Timothy Dolan has been vociferous in opposing gay marriage and abortion of course, but his opinions on the Pope's statement are yet to come...interesting to see what he will say

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Pope Francis kisses a child as he arrives to lead his Wednesday general audience in Saint Peter's square at the Vatican September 18, 2013.      REUTERS/Stefano Rellandini

Pope Francis kisses a child as he arrives to lead his Wednesday general audience in Saint Peter's square at the Vatican September 18, 2013. REUTERS/Stefano Rellandini
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VATICAN CITY - Pope Francis said the Catholic Church must shake off an obsession with teachings on abortion, contraception and homosexuality and become more merciful or risk the collapse of its entire moral edifice "like a house of cards".

In a dramatically blunt interview with an Italian Jesuit journal, Francis said the Church had "locked itself up in small things, in small-minded rules" and should not be so prone to condemn.

Its priests should be more welcoming and not cold, dogmatic bureaucrats. The confessional, he said, "is not a torture chamber but the place in which the Lord's mercy motivates us to do better."

His comments were welcomed by liberal Catholics; but they are likely to be viewed with concern by conservatives who have already expressed concern over Francis's failure to address publicly the issues stressed by his predecessor, Benedict.

Francis, the first non-European pope in 1,300 years, the first from Latin America and the first Jesuit pope, did not hold out the prospect of any changes soon to such moral teachings.

But, in the 12,000-word interview with Civilta Cattolica, he said the Church must find a new balance between upholding rules and demonstrating mercy. "Otherwise even the moral edifice of the Church is likely to fall like a house of cards."

In the interview with the magazine's director, Jesuit Father Antonio Spadaro, he also said he envisioned a greater role for women in the 1.2 billion member Church but suggested it would not include a change in the current ban on a female priesthood.

SOCIALLY WOUNDED

In a remarkable change from his predecessor Benedict, who said homosexuality was an intrinsic disorder, Francis said that when homosexuals told him they were always condemned by the Church and felt "socially wounded", he told them "the Church does not want to do this".

He re-stated his comments first made on a plane returning from a visit to Brazil in July that he was not in a position to judge homosexuals who are of good will and in search of God.

In the interview released on Thursday, he added: "Religion has the right to express its opinion in the service of the people, but God in creation has set us free. It is not possible to interfere spiritually in the life of a person."

The Church, he said, should see itself as "a field hospital after a battle" and try to heal the larger wounds of society and not be "obsessed with the transmission of a disjointed multitude of doctrines to be imposed insistently."

Francis's approach contrasts starkly with that of his conservative predecessor Benedict, who stepped down in February and now lives a withdrawn life in the Vatican grounds.

The interview was not didactic and formal, in the way of past popes, but easygoing, familiar and friendly. He even spoke of his favourite author, Dostoevsky, painter, Caravaggio and composer, Mozart.

"What is clear is that he does not think like a classicist who sees the world in unchanging categories. He is a story- teller like Jesus, not a philosopher," said Father Tom Reese, an American Jesuit and author of several books on the Vatican.

John Gehring, Catholic program director at Faith in Public Life, a liberal advocacy group in the United States, said:

"This pope is rescuing the Church from those who think that condemning gay people and opposing contraception define what it means to be a real Catholic.

"It's a remarkable and refreshing change."

The interview took place over three sessions in August in his simple quarters in a Vatican guest house where he has lived since his election instead of the spacious papal apartments, and was released simultaneously by Jesuit journals around the world.

Francis alluded to criticism of him within the conservative Catholic establishment.

"We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage and the use of contraceptive methods. This is not possible. I have not spoken much about these things, and I was reprimanded for that," he said.

CONSERVATIVES DISAPPOINTED

Just last week, Bishop Thomas J. Tobin of Providence, Rhode Island, spoke for many conservative Catholics when he said he was disappointed that the pope had not addressed "the evil of abortion" more directly to encourage anti-abortion activists.

"I think this is the real beginning of his pontificate," said Massimo Faggioli, theologian at the University of St Thomas in St Paul, Minnesota. "The overall picture is a Church that is not imposing a test on people before they even think of staying or leaving."

The highest-ranking bishop in the United States said he found the interview another example of Francis reaching out to all people, "including those who feel that they have been wounded by the church."

"I particularly welcome his reminder that the clergy are primarily to serve as shepherds, to be with our people, to walk with them, to be pastors, not bureaucrats," Cardinal Timothy Dolan, archbishop of New York and president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, said in a statement.
Reflecting on the role of women in the Church, Francis said:

"We have to work harder to develop a profound theology of the woman. Only by making this step will it be possible to better reflect on their function within the Church.

"The feminine genius is needed wherever we make important decisions."

The Church teaches that women cannot become priests because Jesus willingly chose only men as his apostles. Proponents of a female priesthood say he was only acting according to the norms of his times.
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New Genetics Center: NYC Institutions Say They Will Work Together Finally

Posted on 17:21 by Unknown
The world of research is as competitive as anything else, as is the scrambling for grants and government funding ( there are such notable scientists as Mary Claire King, for instance, whom many people think was actually the first person to identify the gene for breast cancer but because of the politics of institutions, the recognition was given to someone else).

The Genome Project has brought people together before, though, and a similar effort is now underway locally in NYC/
This is from WNYC here


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16 Institutions to Work Together at NYC's New Genetics Center

Researchers hope collaborative approach will better fight disease.

Thursday, September 19, 2013

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Research technicians prepare DNA to be sequenced at the New York Genome Center in lower Manhattan. (Elly Yu for WNYC) 
 
A new research center that will be one of the largest genetics research facilities in North America opened in lower Manhattan Tuesday.

The New York Genome Center – a collaboration of 16 universities and hospitals – is expected to expand the research capabilities of individual institutions.

We’ve already had a huge number of academic institutions [involved in this research],” said Bill Fair, the center’s vice president of strategic operations. “What has been missing had been large, multi-institutional collaborations.”

The center raised around $140 million dollars in funds with help from the city and state. Mayor Michael Bloomberg said the center is part of the city's commitment to advancing the bioscience sector in New York City.

 “Our administration’s investment in the Genome Center is part of our overall strategy of fostering what we call an ‘innovation economy’ in New York,” he said at the opening.
Sofia Rodriguez, who works at Integrated DNA Technologies and attended the center’s opening, says the center will conduct important research on the diagnosis and treatment of diseases.

“It’s like finding keys to open doors that can give you a clearer idea of how to help people who are suffering from horrible diseases like cancer,” Rodriguez said.

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Wednesday, 18 September 2013

Has the U.S. Gone Wrong in Egypt, or is this whole crisis there inevitable?

Posted on 16:52 by Unknown
Demonstrators protesting the current regime in Egypt on Second Avenue in Midtown today.

What should the U.S. be doing about Egypt, or should it just stay far away from all this?

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What's happening throughout the Middle East isn't really surprising. Mideast experts had long been aware of the strains that these societies are under: stagnant economies, widespread corruption, massive youth bulges, faded political ideologies, and the rise of various dissident movements -- all of them held in check by brutal police states. U.S. and other leaders rightly worried about what might happen if the old order began to collapse, and mostly they hoped that this would take place on someone else's watch.

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When the Arab Spring first started, many people hoped it would shake the Arab world out of its torpor and eventually produce more just, open, and efficient societies. That might still happen -- eventually -- but it is going to take a very long time and it's going to be a bumpy ride. That shouldn't surprise us either: The emergence of modern democracy in Western Europe and the United States took centuries and was punctuated by contentious and bloody politics throughout. Remember the French Revolution? The Whiskey Rebellion? European fascism? The American Civil War? One may hope that the Arab world traverses this terrain more quickly than the West did, but there's little reason to think that it will or that it will end up in the same place.

I don't pretend to be expert on the domestic politics of these societies; for valuable commentary from some people who are, see Juan Cole, Marc Lynch, and Issandr El Amrani, among others. But here are some initial thoughts on the latest events.

For starters, what is happening in Egypt today is the triumph of stupidity. First Hosni Mubarak, who had clearly lost touch with the country by the time he was driven from power. Then Mohamed Morsy and the Muslim Brotherhood, who had the opportunity to rule after decades in opposition and blew it, big time. Instead of building a political order in which power was shared among the various groups and factions in Egyptian society, the Muslim Brotherhood tried to run roughshod over its opponents, in a heavy-handed power grab that alarmed everyone else and brought the military back into the field. And now the generals are back and trying to suppress the Brotherhood and other opponents with brutal force. That's dumb too, because the Brotherhood is well organized, has deep roots in Egyptian society, and has been around for decades.

The only solution for Egypt that I can see is one where the contending groups agree to share the country. The competing factions will eventually have to realize that none of them can rule alone and that a political order must be devised that gives each a stake and guarantees each at least some degree of political influence. That's the only formula for successful participatory politics: Those in power today can't ignore the rest of society or try to rig the game to keep themselves in power forever. (BTW: This is a lesson that Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan and the AKP in Turkey might heed as well). If that doesn't happen, then I fear Egypt is headed down the same dark road that Algeria traveled in the 1990s and that Syria is already on today.

What should the United States do? Not much. I'm certainly with those -- like FP's Marc Lynch -- who are calling for the United States to cease all military aid to Egypt. I actually recommended this several weeks ago, in part because Egypt doesn't need more weapons and in part because it does the United States no good to be associated with yet another military crackdown. And oh yeah: Ending aid after the July coup would also have been consistent with U.S. law. Aid to Egypt's military isn't buying the United States any leverage and U.S. aid is dwarfed by the funds that the Gulf Arab states are pouring in. If they want to double down on a bankrupt order, fine; but there's no reason for the American taxpayer to do the same.

More importantly, there isn't much the United States can do. The country lost any moral authority it might have had years ago, when it backed Arab dictators, turned a blind eye to Israel's predations, and showed a callous disregard for Arab populations in places like Iraq. Nor does the United States know how to manipulate or guide Egypt's internal politics. If the Egyptians can't figure out how to construct a workable polity, do you think national security advisor Susan Rice or Secretary of State John Kerry could? And because a narrative of Western interference is a key element of jihadi ideology, the last thing the United States should do is intervene with military force or try to tell Egyptians how to run their own country.

The good news -- such as it is -- is that U.S. "vital interests" are not really engaged here. I know Americans like to think that everything that happens everywhere is a direct threat to American security, but this is another one of those cases where the actual U.S. interest is modest. We have every reason to prefer an Egypt that is stable, prosperous, friendly, supportive of human rights, and at peace with Israel. But Egypt has been none of those things at various points over the past 50 years, and somehow the United States managed to survive and prosper anyway. Yes, what happens in Egypt could affect Israel's security in a modest way, but Egypt is too weak to be an "existential threat" to Israel and Israel isn't the United States (despite what some senators and congressmen seem to think).
Lastly, it is hard to avoid the conclusion that the U.S. government is basically out of its depth here and has been for some time. Bill Clinton's administration helped put the United States in al Qaeda's cross-hairs through its policy of "dual containment" and its bungling of the Oslo peace process. George W. Bush's administration made things worse by invading Iraq and promoting a policy of "regional transformation." And Barack Obama seemed to think that all he needed to do in the Middle East was give a few speeches and rely on the same discredited diplomats who were responsible for most of the previous failures. It is Obama's misfortune to be president when these long-simmering problems finally came back to haunt us, but the writing has been on the wall for a long, long time.
EPA/MOSAAB ELSHAMY


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